From hank at hanklambert.com Wed Nov 1 07:17:47 2006 From: hank at hanklambert.com (Hank Lambert) Date: Wed Nov 1 12:18:37 2006 Subject: [Leapbs] Re: [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002301c6fdaf$d45d3460$0a10a8c0@molly> I agree 100% with George. I am a gun owner, and own more than one gun. I do not see anything wrong with owning an AK-47 either. On the same note, I am not a hunter. I have never shot at anything other than a stationary paper target at a gun range. I will use a gun or anything I need to protect myself or family if need be. And I believe that anyone who uses a firearm in the commission of a crime should automatically spend their entire sentence in jail, no parole; whether they discharged the firearm or not. -----Original Message----- From: leapbs-bounces@leap-cf.org [mailto:leapbs-bounces@leap-cf.org] On Behalf Of leapbs-request@leap-cf.org Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:42 PM To: leapbs@leap-cf.org Subject: LeapBS Digest, Vol 23, Issue 14 Send LeapBS mailing list submissions to leapbs@leap-cf.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.leap-cf.org/mailman/listinfo/leapbs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to leapbs-request@leap-cf.org You can reach the person managing the list at leapbs-owner@leap-cf.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of LeapBS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] (Homer Whittaker) 2. Re: [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] (Greg Sabino Mullane) 3. Re: [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] (Damien McKenna) 4. Re: [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] (George Laiacona) 5. Re: [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] (patrick) 6. Re: [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] (patrick) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:23:00 -0500 From: Homer Whittaker Subject: [LeapBS] [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] To: leapbs@leap-cf.org Message-ID: <4546A574.2020507@sbaflorida.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed /-/ /*Subject:*/ Amen Andy Rooney! Surprised CBS let him get away with this even though he's right AMEN ANDY ROONEY ! 1724041a! Right on, Andy Rooney! Andy Rooney said on "60 Minutes" a few weeks back: I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the UnitedCaucasianCollege Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door. Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game. I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE? I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion. I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off. When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability. I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English! My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines. I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business. We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations. I don't hate the rich I don't pity the poor. I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them. I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building. It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!" I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries! I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else And if you don't like my point of view, tough... I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL! I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don't. It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having "In God We Trust" on our money and having "God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Shut Up and BE QUIET!!! If you agree, pass this on; if not, delete. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:09:02 -0000 From: "Greg Sabino Mullane" Subject: Re: [LeapBS] [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] To: leapbs@leap-cf.org Message-ID: <90483d325c4d440662f608993ec9ebb4@biglumber.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/rooney4.asp - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200610302106 http://biglumber.com/x/web?pk=2529DF6AB8F79407E94445B4BC9B906714964AC8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFFRq+nvJuQZxSWSsgRAjDCAKCIi4m6oZX4zZW9iKjcT/hw1keaJQCeMRz7 1/4VT7V46dg3vnMcFVruWiE= =Ztb9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:08:26 -0500 From: Damien McKenna Subject: Re: [LeapBS] [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] To: "This is the LEAP Banned Subject list." Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 30, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Homer Whittaker wrote: > /*Subject:*/ Amen Andy Rooney! > Surprised CBS let him get away with this even though he's right > AMEN ANDY ROONEY ! Snoops to you too! FYI, any time you see something accredited to an author that is forwarded to you via email, please verify its authenticity before forwarding to anyone else. Having said that.. > I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything > except numbers. Amen. > Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. > You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is > trying to ban you from driving to the ball game. You could probably kill someone with a 1/4 tsp measuring spoon, so should we make those illegal? Having said that, you don't need an AK47 to hunt rabbits. > I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a > phobia, it is an opinion. Kind of like believing that people are wrong who believe that homosexuality is wrong X-) > I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are > different, weird, or tick me off. ... or are stupid. :) > I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of > cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! > As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you > should have to speak English! It is common courtesy that when you visit a foreign land that you speak their language to them. You won't go far visiting the middle of China and asking for an ice latte decaf in English, so why should everyone do that here? > I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass > if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. Yes, but they should aim for your ass, not the head. If you get shot in the ass because you are running away from said police then you should not a) sue them, and definitely not b) win said court case. > I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you > are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored > bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee > shop, trinket store, or any other business. Too true. > We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our > lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they > could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living > document; and open to their interpretations. .. no, you did it for the oil and money to rebuild the infrastructure ;-P BTW, the people who wrote the constitution were immigrants and/or descendants of immigrants, so why shouldn't immigrants and recent descendants of immigrants have a say? > I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. > That doesn't stop you from watching them. .. but I sure wish SciFi didn't have a mid-life crisis and start to show wrastlin'. > I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and > continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next > operating system that's better, and put your name on the building. I really doubt that Andy Rooney would have been giving business tips on writing operating systems. :-P > It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, ... but it sure as hell helps. > but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their > little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!" .. especially the last part. > I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don't. It is > said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very > hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having "In > God We Trust" on our money and having "God" in the Pledge of > Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Shut Up and BE QUIET!!! .. but who's god? The one that recommends killing people who do good deeds unto others? Or the one that promotes killing children? Or the one promotes ritual human sacrifices and rape? I don't believe the references to god should be there because a) they were added in recent history for political reasons which are irrelevant now, b) due to the fact there is no official religion you'll never be able to get a consensus on which religion therefore which god is being referred to (and good luck trying to get multiple religions to accept that the term "god" is a metaphor shared between all religions), c) it goes against my religious freedom to not believe in god. The founding fathers were attempting to escape religious persecution and had the foresight to not force their religious views on others, so it was kept out of the constitution. -- Damien McKenna - Husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:53:02 -0500 From: "George Laiacona" Subject: Re: [LeapBS] [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ok, somebody's got to say it, so it might as well be me. Firearms ownership is NOT about hunting. What the 2nd Amendment says is that the guys with the guns make the rules. When only Government has guns, then only government makes the rules. I am for, however, severe penalties for using firearms to commit crimes. George. >>> damien@mc-kenna.com 10/30/06 10:08 PM >>> On Oct 30, 2006, at 8:23 PM, Homer Whittaker wrote: > /*Subject:*/ Amen Andy Rooney! > Surprised CBS let him get away with this even though he's right > AMEN ANDY ROONEY ! Snoops to you too! FYI, any time you see something accredited to an author that is forwarded to you via email, please verify its authenticity before forwarding to anyone else. Having said that.. > I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything > except numbers. Amen. > Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. > You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is > trying to ban you from driving to the ball game. You could probably kill someone with a 1/4 tsp measuring spoon, so should we make those illegal? Having said that, you don't need an AK47 to hunt rabbits. > I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a > phobia, it is an opinion. Kind of like believing that people are wrong who believe that homosexuality is wrong X-) > I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are > different, weird, or tick me off. ... or are stupid. :) > I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of > cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! > As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you > should have to speak English! It is common courtesy that when you visit a foreign land that you speak their language to them. You won't go far visiting the middle of China and asking for an ice latte decaf in English, so why should everyone do that here? > I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry ass > if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. Yes, but they should aim for your ass, not the head. If you get shot in the ass because you are running away from said police then you should not a) sue them, and definitely not b) win said court case. > I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you > are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored > bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee > shop, trinket store, or any other business. Too true. > We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our > lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they > could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living > document; and open to their interpretations. .. no, you did it for the oil and money to rebuild the infrastructure ;-P BTW, the people who wrote the constitution were immigrants and/or descendants of immigrants, so why shouldn't immigrants and recent descendants of immigrants have a say? > I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. > That doesn't stop you from watching them. .. but I sure wish SciFi didn't have a mid-life crisis and start to show wrastlin'. > I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and > continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next > operating system that's better, and put your name on the building. I really doubt that Andy Rooney would have been giving business tips on writing operating systems. :-P > It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, ... but it sure as hell helps. > but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their > little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!" .. especially the last part. > I was asked to send this on if I agree or delete if I don't. It is > said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very > hard time understanding why there is such a problem in having "In > God We Trust" on our money and having "God" in the Pledge of > Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Shut Up and BE QUIET!!! .. but who's god? The one that recommends killing people who do good deeds unto others? Or the one that promotes killing children? Or the one promotes ritual human sacrifices and rape? I don't believe the references to god should be there because a) they were added in recent history for political reasons which are irrelevant now, b) due to the fact there is no official religion you'll never be able to get a consensus on which religion therefore which god is being referred to (and good luck trying to get multiple religions to accept that the term "god" is a metaphor shared between all religions), c) it goes against my religious freedom to not believe in god. The founding fathers were attempting to escape religious persecution and had the foresight to not force their religious views on others, so it was kept out of the constitution. -- Damien McKenna - Husband, father, geek. damien@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/ _______________________________________________ LeapBS mailing list LeapBS@leap-cf.org http://lists.leap-cf.org/mailman/listinfo/leapbs ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:11:51 -0500 From: patrick Subject: Re: [LeapBS] [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] To: "This is the LEAP Banned Subject list." Message-ID: <454775C7.2000607@cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed George Laiacona wrote: > Ok, somebody's got to say it, so it might as well be me. > > Firearms ownership is NOT about hunting. What the 2nd Amendment says is that the guys with the guns make the rules. When only Government has guns, then only government makes the rules. > > I am for, however, severe penalties for using firearms to commit crimes. > > George. Agreed. I was taught that each of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights secures each of the OTHER Amendments! Did you realize that 5,000 school children live with their parents, in tents, in parking lots, in Biloxi Mississippi, almost two years after Katrina? It is the Ethopia, the Darfur, the Bangladesh, of America, all along our Gulf Coast. Casselberry Police collected toys, new in the packages, last year, to present one to each child, for Christmas. For many, that little teddy bear or doll was their companion to sleep by, since. It is only a 6 to 7 hour drive, but, bring some gas, water, and food from Pensacola and West. Our government has over 10,000 trailers in a closed Hope Air Force Base in Arkansas, and is spending another $6 Million to truck in gravel, so they don't sink into the boggy soil, this winter. The land near Bill Clinton's home town, was purchased by the city, who charges FEMA $25,000 per month rent. you know that it WAS Federal government land, then given over to the city, so... The hold is stated to be that there aren't utilities, and sewage service, for them in the Gulf Coast states, and that many states, like Lousiana, have restrictions about "trailer parking". Trucking companies paid out a reported $240 per trailer, in traffic fines, just transporting the trailers. Arkansas supposedly made the largest amount of money from tickets. Here is a quote off of Google.com, Feb, 2006. things haven't changed! More than 10,000 trailers that could be housing hurricane evacuees sit empty on airport property in Hope, Ark.  and the areas congressman was there today pushing FEMA for answers why they still arent being used. He didnt get all the answers he wanted about why the trailers are still in Hope or when they will start moving out. U.S. Rep. Mike Ross, who said the trailers are a sign of poor government management, met with a FEMA representative for a tour of the site today. FEMA spent $441 million on the 10,777 trailers and is preparing to spend another $6 million for gravel to keep them from sinking, said Ross. Weve got people who are homeless waiting for five months for one of these homes, he said. This is FEMAs explanation: FEMA says it has been stymied by federal regulations, such as one forbidding trailers to be positioned in flood plains  which rules out much of the area hit by Katrina  and by officials in Louisiana, where the need is greatest. Its amazing that every state in the union embraced Katrina evacuees except the folks in Louisiana, FEMA spokeswoman Nicol Andrews said. After Katrina, FEMA ordered 135,000 trailers, most supplied by large national manufacturers and some acquired from local dealers, she said. We have a lot of trailers in the supply line. The challenge is where to place them, she said. Only eight of Louisianas 64 parishes have welcomed them, she said. You cant plug a trailer into a tree. I guess my first question is why did FEMA buy them in the first place if theyre now going to blame federal regulations about trailers being in flood plains? Hmm ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:27:51 -0500 From: patrick Subject: Re: [LeapBS] [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] To: "This is the LEAP Banned Subject list." Message-ID: <45477987.4020005@cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed here are the small aerial photos and the disgusting truth about more FEMA trailers, all hauled at the cost of $8 per mile (commercial rate for movment is $2 per mile!). These trailers cost $40,777 each. They are 12 wide 60 long, with extra appliances not normally installed by makers, in trailers. More, the ones set up by the trailer contractor, pros in the industry, are immediately RE 'set up' by a FLOUR corporation employee, at an additional charge of $400 each! FEMA bought 150 F-350 Gator trucks with all wheel drive, dually wheels, AC and full stereos just to move the ones at Hope. there are other locales where thousands more are stored. Eglin Aux field, near Ft. Walton Beach, Fl. for one. You can read what one trailer trucker states: http://donklephant.com/2006/03/09/fema-trailer-driver-speaks/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ LeapBS mailing list LeapBS@leap-cf.org http://lists.leap-cf.org/mailman/listinfo/leapbs End of LeapBS Digest, Vol 23, Issue 14 ************************************** From dmckenna at thelimucompany.com Wed Nov 1 16:43:11 2006 From: dmckenna at thelimucompany.com (Damien McKenna) Date: Wed Nov 1 17:42:40 2006 Subject: [Leapbs] Godless money Message-ID: http://www.lava.net/~hcssc/godlessmoney.html --? Damien McKenna - Web Developer -?dmckenna@thelimucompany.com The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Nov 1 22:21:40 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed Nov 1 22:21:56 2006 Subject: [Leapbs] Re: [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] In-Reply-To: <002301c6fdaf$d45d3460$0a10a8c0@molly> References: <002301c6fdaf$d45d3460$0a10a8c0@molly> Message-ID: <1162437700.2975.14.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 07:17 -0500, Hank Lambert wrote: > I agree 100% with George. I am a gun owner, and own more than one gun. I do > not see anything wrong with owning an AK-47 either. On the same note, I am > not a hunter. I have never shot at anything other than a stationary paper > target at a gun range. I will use a gun or anything I need to protect myself > or family if need be. And I believe that anyone who uses a firearm in the > commission of a crime should automatically spend their entire sentence in > jail, no parole; whether they discharged the firearm or not. I don't know a gun. I fear guns. I'm sure if I held a gun, I would handle it improper or possibly hurt someone. Especially since it would be a bit of shock. But that's my self-inflicted naivity, ignorance and inconsideration. Fears should _not_ be the basis for taking away the rights of anyone. It's my own problem. If I would be held at gun-point tomorrow, I'm sure I'd fear guns even more. If my wife died at the end of a gun, I'd probably be very pissed and anti-gun. But that anti-gun attitude would be anti-gun in the hands of people who would *NOT* be affected by any repeal of the 2nd Amendment. I think everyone forgets that. Lawful and responsible gun ownership, which is the basis of the absolute and overwhelming majority, is the only people who would be affected by the outlaw of guns. At some point, I will find the time to be properly educated in the respect of firearms. In fact, parents who own firearms must take it upon themselves to teach their children to respect guns and the dangers of letting anyone who does not respect guns touch them. The fact that the media preaches children should never handle guns is part of the problem -- children who have guns in their home should be taught to respect them! Our priorities are screwed up because people take their own fears based on naivity, ignorance and other self-inflicted problems and use them to take away the rights of others. This argument is 230 years old, and I really can't believe people to don't think it's so. Or worse, the be-little the 2nd Amendment saying the Constitution had slavery, so it is broken -- all while not realizing the Constitution only defined the 3/5th rule (and nothing more on slavery), let alone the 2nd Amendment is in the Bill of Rights which a majority of states would not ratify the Constitution without (and not something defined by federal Legislators). People forget that the Bill of Rights were the first 10 Amendments put forth and submitted by the *People* and their *State* governments against a very strong federal government that was "taking over" from the Articles of Confederation. But will our growing illiteracy, most Americans don't seem to understand anything about the Bill of Rights, much less the concept of -- the now taboo -- States Rights, the Great Compromise and the resulting Electoral College, how Senators were originally elected, etc... As an American Libertarian, it makes me sick. -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com --------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From b.j.smith at ieee.org Wed Nov 1 22:23:21 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan J. Smith) Date: Wed Nov 1 22:23:28 2006 Subject: [Leapbs] Re: [Fwd: Fw: Amen Andy Rooney!] -- My God ... In-Reply-To: <1162437700.2975.14.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> References: <002301c6fdaf$d45d3460$0a10a8c0@molly> <1162437700.2975.14.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Message-ID: <1162437801.2975.16.camel@bert64.oviedo.smithconcepts.com> Typo central! I've been working 80+ hour/weeks (I don't know if it's been showing on the lists), but this one was definitely *BAD*! On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 22:21 -0500, Bryan J. Smith wrote: > I don't know a gun. I fear guns. I'm sure if I held a gun, I would > handle it improper or possibly hurt someone. Especially since it would > be a bit of shock. But that's my self-inflicted naivity, ignorance and > inconsideration. > > Fears should _not_ be the basis for taking away the rights of anyone. > It's my own problem. If I would be held at gun-point tomorrow, I'm sure > I'd fear guns even more. If my wife died at the end of a gun, I'd > probably be very pissed and anti-gun. > > But that anti-gun attitude would be anti-gun in the hands of people who > would *NOT* be affected by any repeal of the 2nd Amendment. I think > everyone forgets that. Lawful and responsible gun ownership, which is > the basis of the absolute and overwhelming majority, is the only people > who would be affected by the outlaw of guns. > > At some point, I will find the time to be properly educated in the > respect of firearms. In fact, parents who own firearms must take it > upon themselves to teach their children to respect guns and the dangers > of letting anyone who does not respect guns touch them. The fact that > the media preaches children should never handle guns is part of the > problem -- children who have guns in their home should be taught to > respect them! > > Our priorities are screwed up because people take their own fears based > on naivity, ignorance and other self-inflicted problems and use them to > take away the rights of others. This argument is 230 years old, and I > really can't believe people to don't think it's so. Or worse, the > be-little the 2nd Amendment saying the Constitution had slavery, so it > is broken -- all while not realizing the Constitution only defined the > 3/5th rule (and nothing more on slavery), let alone the 2nd Amendment is > in the Bill of Rights which a majority of states would not ratify the > Constitution without (and not something defined by federal Legislators). > > People forget that the Bill of Rights were the first 10 Amendments put > forth and submitted by the *People* and their *State* governments > against a very strong federal government that was "taking over" from the > Articles of Confederation. But will our growing illiteracy, most > Americans don't seem to understand anything about the Bill of Rights, > much less the concept of -- the now taboo -- States Rights, the Great > Compromise and the resulting Electoral College, how Senators were > originally elected, etc... > > As an American Libertarian, it makes me sick. > -- Bryan J. Smith Professional, technical annoyance mailto:b.j.smith@ieee.org http://thebs413.blogspot.com --------------------------------------------------------- Fission Power: An Inconvenient Solution From fred at fmeco.com Thu Nov 2 15:09:26 2006 From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore) Date: Thu Nov 2 15:09:28 2006 Subject: [Leapbs] Install Fest Message-ID: <200611021509.27010.fred@fmeco.com> Just as a reminder this Saturday is the install fest.. Evidently we don't have this reminder working on the new server yet.. Fred From b.j.smith at ieee.org Thu Nov 2 17:57:51 2006 From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bryan=20J=2E=20Smith?=) Date: Thu Nov 2 19:00:28 2006 Subject: [Leapbs] RE: [Leaplist] Install Fest Message-ID: Well, my client just extended me again to Christmas, so it's unlikely I'll be to an Installfest again in 2006. Sigh, wanted to show off my new dv9000z with AIGLX+Compiz running. -- Sent from my Treo From jms1 at jms1.net Thu Nov 2 19:20:43 2006 From: jms1 at jms1.net (John Simpson) Date: Thu Nov 2 19:21:04 2006 Subject: [Leapbs] Install Fest In-Reply-To: <200611021509.27010.fred@fmeco.com> References: <200611021509.27010.fred@fmeco.com> Message-ID: <0B20DEDB-78AA-42A9-8BA7-DE8267C87344@jms1.net> On 2006-11-02, at 1509, Fred Moore wrote: > Just as a reminder this Saturday is the install fest.. Evidently > we don't > have this reminder working on the new server yet.. Fred i'll be there, but i'll probably have to take off early- sunday i'm leaving, i'm driving to vegas with one of my clients and won't be back for a few weeks, which means unfortunately i'll miss the normal meeting on 11/16. -------------------------------------------------- | John M. 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